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Instructing methodology
Old 20-10-2008, 1:02 am  
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Dear friends,

I start this topic so that instructors can share their points of view and experiences related to teaching different concepts during seminars. I would love to have the feed-back also from the student's point of view: how did you understand the best that specific concept.
I wish to "dissect" this issues one by one, level by level.

First topic i'm proposing: How do you introduce the concept of Universal Energy during basic level.

Here is my way:
I create a link between concepts from physics everybody knows from school and UE, by telling students that we know that matter is just energy on different frequencies and in the vast range of frequencies the universe creates there is a spectrum which we can use for different purposes also. Our body is also a manifestation of energy on a certain frequency. Our brain can "tap-in" to a wide range of frequencies and direct that energy for different purposes.

Please share your points of view related to this subject.

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Old 22-11-2008, 1:24 am  
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I liked the selections our Canadian friends published on their website

http://melvancouver.com/Research.htm

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Old 22-11-2008, 9:54 pm  
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Dear friends and instructors,

I would like to discuss a relatively sensitive detail in our teaching. It is about the part of history of the teaching.

Once when we presented this school we talked about it's "inventor" the 1st Dasira Narada from Sri Lanka. Lately we took this part out. Why?

When we talk about Master Dang we tell about numerous titles and the Albert Schweitzer award. I could not cross-reference this award on any Albert Schweitzer website. Here are a few links:
http://www.schweitzerfellowship.org/
http://albertsif.tripod.com/index.html
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Albert_...tzer_Institute
http://www.jhsph.edu/publichealthnew...chweitzer.html

Please help me find other references about this award. I was looking for a list of Albert Schweitzer award winners and I could not find the name of Master there.
I further ask that if these titles cannot be cross-referenced should we continue teaching about it? Wouldn't this raise suspicions in new students?

What about the Order of St. John? Do you have any references on this issue?

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Old 23-11-2008, 2:19 am  
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Dear Istvan,

From what I can gather, it appears that Master Dang initially told students that he learned about Universal Energy from Dasira Narada II, an Indian man who briefly visted Vietnam, during which time it seems he met and instructed the Master. Later he returned to India. Dasira Narada II supposedly taught until about 1972.

Very little is known about Dasira Narada I (Chinese name seems to have been 'Zushi Ye') except that he was from Sri Lanka and spent him life as a 'high civil servant'. he was born about 1890 and died 1924. He supposedly had spent most of his life studying spirituality. There seems to be a group in China that follows this teacher called 'Human health'. See this link (the English is not easy to understand but you will see on this page that they also use the old SHY logo that the Master phased out):

http://translate.google.com/translat...rada%26hl%3Den

By lineage, the Master became Dasira Narada III. However, there was also a Vietnamese man by the name of Mr. Huynh (Chinese name Huang) who claimed the title for himself. This teacher went to China and taught almost the exact same principles as Master Dang to another, apparently different small group of Chinese there. (Those people still study and follow Mr. Huynh's teaching.)

http://translate.google.com/translat...%3Den%26sa%3DN

This man was considered a living Guru by some Chinese people, who did not know Master Dang at all. He passed away in 2005. Whether Mr. Huynh learned from Dasira Narada II or from Master Dang himself we don't know.

In 1993 or 94 another Vietnamese man, the leader of the HUE Center in Spain called Curtis Cao Duy also claimed to be Dasira Narada III. This man was almost certainly instructed directly by the Master.

At that time, the Master apparently made the decision to cut ties with the Dasira Narada connection, claiming that everything he knew came directly from God, not from any human.

We can only guess about this. It is most likely to me that the Master was originally taught something about meditation from a living guru and then later surpassed him, receiving divine guidance himself.

Otherwise he had never learned from Dasira Narada and simply used the story to explain himself when he first began teaching and then no longer found it useful.

In either case, what is sure is that the Master felt it was too much of a distraction to continue to explain this to his students.

I myself cannot find any documents of the World Health Organization to show a link to the Open International University. That doesn't mean they don't exist out there somewhere.

I know the University exists, I know that it was run for many years by Dr. Anton Jayasuriya and that his brother John has overseen the running since Dr. Anton's death.

It seems certain that there is some controversy over Dr. Anton, and over the legitimacy of the degrees that the University issues.

I don't know about the Albert Schweitzer award. I imagine that since it was given by the Open International University, that it may not even have any official links to official Albert Schweitzer Foundation. It could be just a name they used for one of their awards.

This is all I have so far. I'm working with a religious studies professor in Europe to help me find more about these issues. If I find any more info. I'll post it for you.

Take care,

Kassie.

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Old 23-11-2008, 7:56 pm  
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I think it is very important to stick to facts in this regard and not to create confusion by stating obscure facts.
We follow Master, because we believe in his teaching and NOT because he has some titles and awards. For us Master is Master with or without titles and awards.
If these titles and awards are obscure it only creates confusion and greatly shakes trust in new students. Basic level is very important and I think us, instructors, should not create any misunderstandings or leave place for even more doubt.

The Order of St. John is quite obscure as it is. We can hardly find any relevant information over the internet about this chivalry order. Here are a few links:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Order_of_St._John
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soverei...Order_of_Malta
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venerab..._of_Saint_John
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian...ts_Hospitaller

After reading and looking through these information I can notice one simple fact. We have quite a few images of Master in Order Togas. These togas have as a symbol 3 stripes on the arm and the toga of the Order of St. John has the symbol of the cross. Except when Master appears in the red toga, this is the only image which has the symbol of the cross on it.
Yet another fact, the titles given by the Order don't match.
Here are the titles from wikipedia:
The Order is divided into the following Classes:

* Grade I – Bailiffs or Dames Grand Cross (G.C.St.J.)
* Grade II – Knights or Dames of Justice or Grace (K.St.J. or D.St.J.)
* Grade III – (a) Chaplains (Ch.St.J) and (b) Commanders (C.St.J.)
* Grade IV – Officers (O.St.J.)
* Grade V – Members (M.St.J.), Serving Brothers (S.B.St.J.) and Serving Sisters (S.S.St.J.)
* Grade VI – Esquires (Esq.St.J.)
There is no title of Knight Commander.
I can only conclude that the Order of St. John Master is part of has little to do with the Most Venerable Order of the Hospital of St John of Jerusalem.

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Old 23-11-2008, 10:25 pm  
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Here are some more links:
http://www.chapman.edu/schweitzerIns...rd/default.asp
http://www.mel-ozie.com/nes/Gold_Coa...n_06-08-02.htm
http://www.chivalricorders.org/order...d/selfsty2.htm
http://www.stichtingargus.nl/vrijmet...erstjohn1.html
http://www.christusrex.org/www1/gtl/smom/selfstyled.htm
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Old 23-11-2008, 11:01 pm  
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This is interesting and helpful, Istvan.

Here is their website of the Open International University for Complementary Medicines in Sri Lanka for anyone who has not seen it to check out:

http://www.oiucmed.com/

I found a pdf copy of the 'Declaration of Alma Ata' that the foundation of the University is said to be based upon. I don't find any mention of the creation of the University in that document.

http://www.who.int/hpr/NPH/docs/declaration_almaata.pdf

Essentially it is a document that was created by the World Health Organization in 1978 calling for an acceptable level of health care for every human being by the year 2000. The following quote is interesting though:

"Primary health care is essential health care based on practical, scientifically sound and socially acceptable methods and technology made universally accessible to individuals and families in the community through their full participation and at a cost that the community and country can afford to maintain at every stage of their development in the spirit of self reliance and self-determination."

This sounds to me like they were calling for traditional Western health care for all. I can't help wonder if the OIUCM fully meets those requirements? It seems like quite a bit of fancy footwork going on here. On the OIUCM Web-page, the blurb makes it seem like the University was officially created and sanctioned as a recognised representative of WHO at the time of the Alma Ata Declaration.

What they are actually saying is that the University was created out of the spirit of the Declaration. There is nothing about the Open International University in the Alma Ata document and they are NOT affiliated with WHO in any way.

The next step is to find out if they are actually even recognised as an accredited University by the Sri Lankan government. Anyone else have time to do that? :P

On the other topic, I understand that all the the titles that the Master received were from a 'Chivalric' organization affiliated with that University, but as Istvan points out, the names of those organziations are very confusing!

So which Order of St. John is related to the Open International University?!? I seem to remember that the man in charge of handing out the Knighthood awards in Mexico was called Sir John Hopkins. It is very difficult to find contact information about him because of the hospital of the same name. (Too many google hits.)

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Old 23-11-2008, 11:16 pm  
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Dear Kassie,
I agree that we should contact the Order of St. John (the real one) and the Albert Schweitzer Foundation for more clarifications.

I found the following regarding accredited universities in Sri Lanka:
http://www.unesco.org/iau/onlinedata...html#Sri_Lanka
http://www.4icu.org/lk/
http://www.lankalinksystems.com/sri-...iversities.htm
According to these websites OIUCM is not on the list.
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The next step is to find out if they are actually even recognised as an accredited University by the Sri Lankan government. Anyone else have time to do that? :P
I heard it's not from a source I consider reliable. That happened when I interpreted during Nov.2006 Garlic meeting in Melbourne (Australia).

Though it seems that Medicina Alternativa (www.medicina-alternativa.org) Acupuncture and Ayurveda training programs are indeed recognized.

In 2002 Vanni (husband of Paola) told me and Ildus of Kazan that his research showed the same for OIUCM and the Knightship Order and he reported to the Master. It seemed that Master was playing those games with some purpose in mind.
I periodically wonder what that could have been...

regards,
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