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Old 22-10-2008, 1:50 am  
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An excerpt from one of the latest Newsletter edition by Russian Business Guru Mr.Yuri Moroz (with over a million of recepients)...

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Each one of us has his/her own dogmas or sacred cows. For some – it’s magna cum laudae, don’t you dare to touch it – that’s sacred; for others– alcohol, dare object my drinking and you’ll suffer, for the third one – his/her right to make choices. Though there is no such possibility, for example, - whether you will pay taxes or not, but the right to choose – that’s also sacred.

Everyone has his/her sacred something. For the communist – it’s communism, for the Christian – it’s resurrection of Christ, etc. You won’t have trouble continue giving examples.

The reason why it’s sacred (i.e. irrational conviction, or internal taboos) seems to be in the fact that once it’s criticized or doubted, our emotions are strongly excited.

And that’s HERESY.
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Old 26-10-2008, 1:18 pm  
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Our Vietnamese friends and colleagues continue the tradition of Master Dang - speaking not only about the serious things, but also share jokes, funny stories, etc. on various subjects.

Built-in Google machine translation engine doesn't allow to feel all the fineties of the joke, but all of the discussion thread is dedicated to humour.

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Old 27-10-2008, 2:44 pm  
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1. Here for example, if I dont beleive in the reincarnation right in the current life ( the changing/replacement of souls to facilitate/boost the spiritual evolution) : I can't "move up" to levels 19/20 ( what's for?). Master Dang had, many a times, said that Master did NOT believe blindly what he FIRST learned from High Beings and He only started teaching to us once He could prove them himself .
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Dear Thien Thu,
Dear friends,

Master Dang was repeatedly telling us that our soul changes with every level.
At some point he invited us to visit Ayers Rock (Uluru) in Australia, sacred place for aboriginal population... which do not believe in souls, nor the reincarnation... but they believe that when a human dies, his inner knowledge which developed all through his life, can be invited to come into the baby, which is still in its mother's tummy...

Master, based on his own understanding and experience/s used the term "soul"... For myself (I'm obviously less experienced and didn't yet figure out what is a soul) I wouldn't talk about reicarnation of a soul, but I understand developing our knowledge and perception ...

At L20 in July 2007, Master said that at that level we start having a new soul, that was never before present on Earth and that it will not change...
I can read it as those seminars were dedicated to describing a new level of knowledge and understanding - the purpose for which Higher Beings used Master to pass us the teaching, thus helping him to establish UE school as a tool.

Changes that started after Master conducted L19 & L20 and shared new understanding (knowledge) might have frightened some... but once we learn something, we cannot unlearn...

regards,
farhad

P.S. Just like you, I never practice something that seems obscure & I don't yet feel comfortable with. But I know I will eventually learn... As Master used to say, We won't be late, we will still have time.
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Dear UE friends,

Only on the English language thread the exchange of opinions seems more liberal! However my English is ...not up to the right standard for me ( lack of "spiritual terminology",that is !) to discuss what Master Dang taught in 2007.

From Farkhad's above explanation on "changing NEW souls every UE level" , I think Farkhad wished to come to a compromise understanding , since the original Vietnamese teachings by Master COULD NOT BE ...interpreted as NEW LEVEL OF KNOWLEDGE! Perhaps the simultaneous translation into English may have been mis-interpreted!
In the first level-19 seminar in Jan 2007, level-20 seminar in July 2007 and the second seminar on level 19 in early Aug 2007) Master Dang explained very clearly about our changing of NEW souls
( which I may have mistakenly understood as...current life re-incarnation! ) This is why I brought this question on this forum in a hope to get some interpretation/explanation from my fellow UE firends, since I have lost my golden chance to ask Master Dang in subsequent seminars.....

Moreover, no matter what (kind of spiritual) reason we conceive , we cannot act on behalf of GOD to "assign" a new soul to any dead/alive individual !
Are we confident enough to select a right soul to assign to a right person and we will bear the responsability for our GOOD deed ?

I appreciate those who have chance to attend post-Master Dang seminars on levels 19/20 or possibly 20.+++... to give convincing interpretation on this issue of NEW souls and GOD-delegated power to assign A SOUL to a dead individual.

I hereby pray God and Master Dang for forgiving my stuborn ...non-progressive thinking!

Thien thu

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Old 05-11-2008, 5:08 pm  
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Only on the English language thread the exchange of opinions seems more liberal!
Dear Thien Thu,
Dear friends,

If only you could understand Russian (without Google-translation), you'd see how liberal it is in our forum... Here is an example - translation of my quote of a Russian martial arts specialist - which received Thanks from most active participants in the Russian forum.

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Remember, when somebody teaches you, you can be given EXAMPLES of how to act in this or other situations, but nobody can give you ready-made recipes that would work always and everywhere. And nobody has them — no matter what system s/he follows. You can come to learn from others, but when facing a battle - you’ll have to fight and take your own independent decisions depending on situation — considering the degree of YOUR OWN readiness, YOUR PERSONAL capabilities, characteristics, number and particular location of your “enemies”, terrain peculiarities etc. etc.

All of this has significant influence on what choice will be right and what can be considered a success. In some situations you loose when making a well-targeted powerful blow to your enemy – whilst in other cases you win because you happened to fall on the ground. Teachers (Masters) can only help students learn basic principles and show the direction for their development – but the rest depends from the students themselves.

Techniques should be followed, but followed consciously, knowing exactly what you are doing, what it should lead to and how you are going to control the process. No master is capable of reaching perfection simply by following rules and instructions to the word, because true mastership is in knowing how to disregard rules correctly.

Yuriy Senchukov.
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From Farkhad's above explanation on "changing NEW souls every UE level" , I think Farkhad wished to come to a compromise understanding , since the original Vietnamese teachings by Master COULD NOT ...interpreted as NEW LEVEL OF KNOWLEDGE! Perhaps the simultaneous translation into English may have been mis-interpreted!
Indeed, I never heard Vu use any other word but SOUL... But I have to come to my own conclusions, not blindly accept new DOGMA...

Once again it's cultural - Master had to use words, which (the words) cannot be true, as they are false tags, artificially created illusions used to describe what we see/capable to understand.

Two days ago Trung reported that simultaneous English translation (done by Vu - the most qualified interpreter) during the seminar was passing only about 75% of what was said by Master Dang. So we are looking forward to benefit from quality text translation, if somebody can do it for us...

All other useful information-related contribution that can give more and better "food for our thought" and then material for application are welcome.

regards,
farhad

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Dear friends,

Language is more than just a means of communication. It's actually defines framework of our thinking. So we are all different.

In Russian we have some phrases (depicting different degrees of invisible world phenomena), which can be best translated as "soul in pain" and "sick in his soul". And in our culture we know, that if the problem has to do with the invisible world, in needs respective invisible world -related healing.

As long as Master Dang lived and taught (showed example) he was a living teaching. I came to learn from his instructors, because I liked to learn from his example. Later some strange "coincidence" brought me to L5 in 2000 & then non-stop up to L20 in 2007.

After he passed away - his teachings can be:
1) preserved (documented) and/or
2) continued (if there are followers, who can continue on that same path).
Either option is possible, and maybe both is the best answer.

How can I know that I'm staying on the path?
And can I follow somebody else's path?
Or am I better simply living the principles (teachings) I was lucky to understand?
"Only Men can help Men...There will be millions of Masters...People, whom you'll be helping will not see me, but they'll see you"

That is (or was?) the pain or mayby sickness in my soul. Growing pains?

So far I find some guidance in the following two quotes from different sources:
"First with your head, then with your heart
You'll be ahead from the start"

and
"Sometimes the HEART should FOLLOW the MIND
Sometimes the HEART should tell the MIND to
STAY AT HOME and STOP INTERFERING"


Energy flows if there is Intention.
And experience shows that the techniques are tool that works best if you have confidence in yourself

regards,
farhad
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Hello everybody! Master used to say that many of our (humanity’s) problems are related to the fact that we have created a bottle-neck in “the world of souls” and do not allow their further development. Periodically those problems become more acute and we live through crises of "rethinking"/growth... Something similar is true now for UE school as well... My "ever-thinking" head is quick to generate analogies... Karl Marx used to talk about social formations – that Communism can only come after developed socialism, which in turn – only after developed capitalism, which is preceeded by feudal state, itself following the slave state. He warned that one CANNOT JUMP over a stage – because until “social institutions” necessary for the next stage are established and take root – any formation is artificial and unsustainable doomed to collapse earlier or later... Which was proven on example of the Communist Party of the Soviet Union.

Theory of Organization (an anti-scientific, “wrong” teaching, a sociology of business – that was developed in U.S. in the first half of the 20th century) talks about the following stages: individual entrepreneur – Limited Liability company or partnership - joint-stock company –corporation (holding or a group of companies). Each stage has its own complexity, thus principles of operation, interaction of its parts, and respectively - accountability...

Human life also passes certain stages - child, teenager, young adult, experienced adult, senior person ... If we are not given a chance to experience childhood and teenage periods, we’ll later experience psychological problems... Now most people on the planet live in a "democratic" stage of capitalism, so a newborn to our society lives previous stages in early childhood - "slave" (up till more or less 3), "feudal" (kindergarten and early primary school). Later, in early teenage period comes "the capitalism" – I’m on my own, I’m going to spend my capital (time, strength, money, health) as I want. As for others, they should better take care of themselves and not interfere in my business...
To be continued
With best wishes, фархад
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Hi Farkhad,

In general, there are two ways of cultivation in life:

1. Develop our skills/ability to enjoy a happy life : earn a good living, mary a nice spouse, give birth to intelligent children, etc.. then grow old and die- happy or unhappy- bringing nothing to the grave!
For this aim we have to work out/develop the brain , the siege of "ever thinking mind" and the source of pain -physical or non-physical ( suffering)- in life!

2. Sooner or later we happen to realize that if our coming to existence in this world is nothing but ..."birth, ageing,ailment and death" we would understand why Gautama decided to escape from his kingdom to find a way to identify the cause and how to terminate/overcome suffering.

Thus we ....might "think" we should spend some of our time - not to accumulate more of something we can not bring with when we die- in order to cultivate instead a spiritual life as an ultimate rescue....
The "spiritual cultivation method" is then just like a kind of food for our physical body : it must be digestible by each individual to be the right food for the right body! If the method/ path is NOT suitable for our spiritual cultivation we'd better find anothe path , just like the case of Gautama the Bouddha who had left his first "high class clergy masters" ( sorry I am an ignorant in spiritual terminology!) to sit down and meditate at the Bodi tree to find THE PATH himself.

Developing our brain by ...dumping into it tons of knowlegde, thousands of idiology theories would only create more sources of suffering.
The efficient way to exterminate suffering is to stop the ...streamline of thoughts created automatically by our brain, then many mystic phenomena would emerge : that state of spiritual being which could only be self found and understood but could not be explained by words..

The above is just to share some thoughts regarding "re-thinking of Master Dang's teachings".

Thanks everybody for reading...

Thien thu

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Dear Thien Thu,

I totally share your view on the question.

I just add a point: belonging to 2 other spiritual schools, I am endlessly advised to "revise" my lessons, my notes - - - just because we evolve naturally, and with what we have understood, - - - and experienced - - - etc- - - we grow faster, intellectually and spiritually, according to the point we particularly cultivate.

So, every now and then, I revise, and I discover new understandings, new meanings I had not seen before! And I 'm glad of it!!

L & L
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Dear Lotus,

Indeed, revising and finding new understandings is a very good way to advance. We can do this in different ways: reading our notes, listening to seminar recordings, auditing different instructors and so on.

I believe that the most important is to implement this lessons in our way of thinking and acting every day, every second. We have to take all lessons one by one and work on implementing them. Only this way we can evolve.

We can consider one lesson learned only when we understood it fully and fully implemented it in our life.

Regards,
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