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Old 24-11-2008, 3:09 am  
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Hmmm... indeed. The Master was a 'Yes' man in the most positive sense. I often saw him publically say, 'Yes, yes, yes' to the plans and schemes that human beings proposed, even when he seemed to know that they would not work.

So then he allowed each lesson to play out without judgement to its fullest extent ... for learning purposes perhaps.

Maybe the simple fact was that the Master trusted the intentions of the University's founder, Dr. Jayasuriya to help mankind. Maybe the official status (the sanction of human governement) did not matter so much to the Master.

Interesting, huh?
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Old 24-11-2008, 3:14 am  
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Out of curiousity I also Googled 1962 Alma Ata declaration:

http://www.google.ru/search?rlz=1C1G...ta+declaration

And I found this useful short movie:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=d_w95YDqe5A

and this interview with Dr.Halfdan Mahler, Director general of WHO at the time of the conference:
http://www.who.int/bulletin/volumes/.../en/index.html

The opening part of Master Dang's Report prepared for 2002 World Congress of OIUCM (see www.oiucm.org) had quotes from among others, Dr.Halfdan Mahler.

I remember I felt very proud to paste them at http://www.shyru.narod.ru/index-en.htm

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Old 24-11-2008, 4:11 am  
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And let's not forget this article:
http://mel-ozie.com/nes/Article_UE_a...jun13_2006.htm

Aren't we looking to this whole issue with a to "western" eye? And maybe we should look at it with "eastern" eyes?
We know that for Asians diplomas, titles are very important and even the least significant ones are made very important. Us "westerns" have more strict criteria in placing and understanding titles and diplomas.
I truly believe that Master received an Albert Schweitzer Award. The question is which one? He was made a Knight Commander of the Order of St. John? Yes. But to which branch of the order?
And how these relationships affect our thinking? For us, "westerners" these relationships are important.

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Old 24-11-2008, 5:41 am  
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Wow. Good work Farhad. I found the Alma Ata video on Youtube so interesting. There is good research here for people who wish to investigate this issue.

What is for sure Istvan, is that our own feelings about these things will affect how we discuss with others outside the school and how we will teach new students, no?
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Old 24-11-2008, 8:18 pm  
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Dear Kassie and Friends,

I think that our feelings and emotions should not be involved on how we talk about these issues. We have to stick to the facts. Which still need to be cleared. The facts, until now, are:

1: Albert Schweitzer Award:
"The Honourable Mr W.J.M. Lokubandara, Minister of Justice, Judicial Reforms & National Integration, Leader of the Parliament of the Democratic Socialist Republic of Sri Lanka, flew to Gold Coast to attend the Congress and conferred the Gold Medal of Albert Schweitzer Award to Prof. Dr. Sir Master Luong Minh Dang in a sincere ceremony at the conference room of ANA Hotel, Gold Coast. It is understood that the ceremony was proposed for November 2001, but had to postpone to July 2002, due to the 11 September 2001 attack at World Trade Centre." (Gold Coast Meeting Report, 2002)

Albert Schweitzer Foundation has no website (at least google cannot find it), so we cannot cross reference the award, nor it's acceptance and value (from a western point of view).

2: Knighthood of the Order of St. John Hospitalier of Jerusalem:
"Also on the Saturday evening 27.7.2002, Prof. Dr. Theresa Nguyen Thi Thu-Thuy, Prof. Luong’s Lady was conferred Knight Commander by the Honourable Minister of Justice of Sri Lanka and Sir Ravi Ponniah. Prof. Dr. Theresa also received Royal Dameship from The International & Ecumenical Priorate of the Holy Trinity of Villedieu. After the conferring ceremony, Dr Theresa in a heart moving speech had told the delegates of her “against the tide” journey in achieve her goal in relieving people’s sufferings". (Gold Coast Meeting Report, 2002).
Here we do not have valuable information when and from who Master received the knighthood. We have only one piece of valuable information that Lady Theresa received the damehood from The International & Ecumenical Priorate of the Holy Trinity of Villedieu.
On websites related to the Order of Saint John we do not find reference to the Priorate of Villedieu only The Priory of the Order of Malta of the Most Holy Trinity of Villeneuve(1945; The Sovereign Military Order of St.John of Jerusalem, Knights of Malta Headquarters (1975), which is considered as being a false/unrecognized order.

3: OIUCM
"The Open International University for Complementary Medicines was founded in 1962 as per the World Health Organization Alma Ata Declaration and accorded international recognition to make alternative medicines popular. The I.C.A.M. & I.U.A.M were founded years later, as a part of O.I.U.C.M. to aid in the mandate to bring about a better understanding of health as it relates to mankind by increasing public awareness and the popularity of alternative medicines." (OIUCM website)
It states International recognition, which may be right, but it is not Accreditation of Sate Government. On websites related to Accredited universities (UNICEF website) OIUCM is not listed as an accredited University.
I haven't visited Sri Lanka, nor the University. Those of you who did hopefully you could clarify how much this organizations is a University from a western point of view. What specialization does it offer? Logistics - class-rooms, laboratories, buildings? Who are it's Professors? What levels of qualifications does it offer - undergraduate, graduate, post graduate?

Obviously some further information and clarification is needed. Please help to create a complete and objective picture about these subjects.

Thank You,
Istvan
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Old 24-11-2008, 9:12 pm  
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There is no point in searching for right or left, but we have to base our work on a clear foundation, since we've got Long Hoa to achieve make primary healthcare accessible to all, as well as electricity, water and air...and some other things... shouldn't we live with comfort on our planet? ...
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Old 25-11-2008, 9:10 pm  
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Dear friends,

I certainly keep Paola Scotti-Mariani (Master Dang's representative for Italy, India, countries of Africa and Eastern Europe), Dick Vreeswijk (Master Dang's representative for Holland, countries of Western Europe and Scandinavia, doctor of Western medicine) and Trung Luong(President of MEL-Headquarters in USA) informed on joint effort results of the forum participants.

First two confirmed they don't pay much attention to those titles and awards. Their websiteswww.shyitalia.com and www.shyholland.nl don't even mention those. www.shyru.narod.ru, which I still oversee - the above information available on the internal section, dedicated to UE school history with other details under title "Regalia".

Paola met my proposal of establishing "The Most Venerable Order of the Knights of Master Dang of Universal Energy" with her characteristic humour. Istvan, who is a designer, hinted he wouldn't mind helping us design necessary diplomas and togas.

all the best to all,
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Old 25-11-2008, 9:50 pm  
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To continue the joke:
The most Venerable Ecumenical Priory and High Lounge of the Knights ...

We can also create the Pasteur Award for Excellence in Healing and Research and the Nietzsche Award for Excellence in Spirituality

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Old 26-11-2008, 8:45 am  
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Personally, I don't think the response that 'we don't pay much attention' to these titles and awards is really an acceptable response from the Representatives of any organization which accepts said awards.

The point is that if you accept these titles and awards, even travel halfway around the world to participate in their events and ceremonies, it is a form of endorsement.

Surely the Representatives are responsible to know whether this is a legitimate and creditable organization?

Surely a minimal effort of research or understanding should be required of Representatives if they expect the qualified Instructors to explain about these titles and awards, never mind tell students that they may obtain their own awards from a University whose credentials are questionable?

I mean - give us something to hold onto that we can trust and be happy, to be involved with!

Where does the money go when it is sent to this University? Where is this University? Does it have buildings that need upkeep? What is really going on there? Are poor people being educated there through all the money that SHY Practitioners have donated over the years? Are people receiving proper health care as a result of the University's programs?

When the Master was alive, the Founder of the University was accountable to Him. What about now?

Once again, we are given a hidden message. The response 'we don't pay attention to it' actually means 'and neither should you'.

In other words, be quiet, don't ask questions because we don't really know the answers.
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I’m with kassie 100%. Teaching the method properly – is our duty to Master Dang. Otherwise in a few years time we’ll be left with only gossips and speculations about the school. Everything might seem “Ok” for those who have L20 and otherwise studied from Master Dang personally, and how about others...?. For example my mother still remembers how Master Dang twice said hello to her in the corridor during the break. But new students need solid foundation, at least until they experience the way UE works in practice. In my case, I needed 7 years to "start believing".
Maxim is L5.2 student, who did it with Paola and Vanni, i.e. no later than March 2004. He's quite satisfied with his level and feels no need to go any higher, at least so far.
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